Grand Scale Freight Yard Aspirations
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Re: Grand Scale Freight Yard Aspirations
The small square end barges with the cupolas are likely self powered harbor or river craft. The square “cupolas”in the center look like wheel houses, set in a well amidships, but tall enuogh to afford good visibility for the helmsmen and crew. One or two look like they could potentially be landing craft with raised, reinforced bow. They might also be harbor tugs with blunt bows to push rail barges around the inner harbor. Or even something exotic as military harbor craft to tend submarine nets. The photo was taken in 1941. America was in the early stages of establishing war time footing then. Hard to tell with the reduced resolution of web imagery. But fascinating detail, whatever they are.
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Motive power : 1902 A.S.Campbell 4-4-0 American - 12 5/8" gauge, 1955 Ottaway 4-4-0 American 12" gauge
Ahaha, Retirement: the good life - drifting endlessly on a Sea of projects....
Motive power : 1902 A.S.Campbell 4-4-0 American - 12 5/8" gauge, 1955 Ottaway 4-4-0 American 12" gauge
Ahaha, Retirement: the good life - drifting endlessly on a Sea of projects....
Re: Grand Scale Freight Yard Aspirations
Pretty sure the original photo was the Lehigh Valley yard in Jersey City. Also pretty sure the barges were not self-powered. Maybe quarters for the bargemen though.
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Re: Grand Scale Freight Yard Aspirations
John, fascinating! I clicked on the original photo I posted and it opened with a much more detailed image. The enlarged image is much clearer and more detailed.
They do indeed look like work barges of some sort, very similar to your photo. And they are huge compared to standard size freight cars. The ones all tied up in a slip, at the dock, seem to have some kind of boom and tackle on top of the small raised deck house. So your first comment was likely spot on- concerning some sort of local freight transfer. Apparently the Weehauken Terminal was the largest in the world at one time, and was served by something like 5 to 7 major east coast RAilroads.
They do indeed look like work barges of some sort, very similar to your photo. And they are huge compared to standard size freight cars. The ones all tied up in a slip, at the dock, seem to have some kind of boom and tackle on top of the small raised deck house. So your first comment was likely spot on- concerning some sort of local freight transfer. Apparently the Weehauken Terminal was the largest in the world at one time, and was served by something like 5 to 7 major east coast RAilroads.
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Motive power : 1902 A.S.Campbell 4-4-0 American - 12 5/8" gauge, 1955 Ottaway 4-4-0 American 12" gauge
Ahaha, Retirement: the good life - drifting endlessly on a Sea of projects....
Motive power : 1902 A.S.Campbell 4-4-0 American - 12 5/8" gauge, 1955 Ottaway 4-4-0 American 12" gauge
Ahaha, Retirement: the good life - drifting endlessly on a Sea of projects....
Re: Grand Scale Freight Yard Aspirations
The whole rail-water interface around NY is fascinating to me. If you want to go down that rabbit hole, it's here: http://www.trainweb.org/bedt/IndustrialLocos.html. I particularly liked Bush Terminal and Brooklyn Eastern District Terminal.
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Re: Grand Scale Freight Yard Aspirations
Thanks John! That makes a lot of sense.jcbrock wrote: ↑Sun Jul 17, 2022 7:35 pm <snip>
Those are lighters used to move freight around NY harbor. Areas without carfloat service had freight offloaded in NJ and delivered via these. I don't know why some had the funky cupolas, but they did. There were also carfloats that did not have the cars moved off via a floatbridge, but instead were delivered pier-side and the cars unloaded directly from carfloat to warehouse.
Glenn, I too was thinking some sort of military landing craft given the apparent era of the photo.
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