Sweet Creek Mogul Boiler Question
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Re: Sweet Creek Mogul Boiler Question
So .it's a boat anchor even though it passed all the inspections?
Granted...inspectors do not necessarily care about functionality
Granted...inspectors do not necessarily care about functionality
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Re: Sweet Creek Mogul Boiler Question
Without seeing evidence of the defects being claimed for this boiler, I am left with a ??? because if it was NB inspected, then those sorts of defects should not have been allowed to pass, and it has the paperwork alleging that it is OK. Photo of the inside of the firebox perhaps? Or even better, down the dome ?
I read a bit of the shenanigan's of John Rimmasch/Wasatch, and ya, I'd be a LOT of Q's before I spent my $ on it, but a NB inspected boiler should not have the sorts of defects that are being mentioned. If it does, there was more rotten here than just Wasatach.
I read a bit of the shenanigan's of John Rimmasch/Wasatch, and ya, I'd be a LOT of Q's before I spent my $ on it, but a NB inspected boiler should not have the sorts of defects that are being mentioned. If it does, there was more rotten here than just Wasatach.
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Checking crown sheet height is something that can be done with a straight edge and little more than a tape measure.
It is not rocket science..
It is not rocket science..
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Re: Sweet Creek Mogul Boiler Question
You are correct Bill S, that is how I found out there was something rotten in the boiler.
We the willing, led by the unknowing, have been doing so much with so little for so long that we are now qualified to do anything with nothing.
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I'll get some measurements and let everyone know. Really what people are saying here is that the State inspector was in cahoots with Wasatch which I find hard to believe.
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unless he was just inspecting materials and assembly (welding) quality, not actual 'usability'
I have seen that elsewhere in other industries -> which is why I brought up the point.
I have seen that elsewhere in other industries -> which is why I brought up the point.
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Re: Sweet Creek Mogul Boiler Question
Four boilers were built by Wasatch for RMI in two batches in 2009. The AI signed off on the design on the inspection sheet for each boiler including the fit up.
And if four were built, and one returned, where are the others?
Stay tuned for some actual measurements.
And if four were built, and one returned, where are the others?
Stay tuned for some actual measurements.
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i have seen inspectors (personally) sign off on the fit up and welding of a hydrogen branch pipe being connected to something very non-hydrogen.
We used hydrogen to cool large power generators..in case someone is wondering..
inspector weaseled out be saying 'the materials, fit and weld are perfect'. -> "not my responsibility to know what gas goes where..."
it was the 'hot tap' crew (drill into a pressurized pipe in service) that questioned what they were about to do....and came to the maintenance superintendent (me) to confirm their instructions.
lucky we didn't all die that afternoon....
We used hydrogen to cool large power generators..in case someone is wondering..
inspector weaseled out be saying 'the materials, fit and weld are perfect'. -> "not my responsibility to know what gas goes where..."
it was the 'hot tap' crew (drill into a pressurized pipe in service) that questioned what they were about to do....and came to the maintenance superintendent (me) to confirm their instructions.
lucky we didn't all die that afternoon....
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Re: Sweet Creek Mogul Boiler Question
The boilers were built in two batches, the first two were "OK". The second two were returned by me for the reason I mentioned above. What happened to the two that were returned I have no way of knowing. If this is one of the two returned the fire box was installed to high. I am the one who worked at RMI at the time this happen. Of the two that were not returned one is on a locomotive that is in the shop right now. The other is about 16 miles away at the Ranch on the locomotive of the current owner of RMI.
I do not know if the boilers were repaired after they were returned. But I do know the money paid for the returned boilers was never returned to RMI.
David Rohrer
I do not know if the boilers were repaired after they were returned. But I do know the money paid for the returned boilers was never returned to RMI.
David Rohrer
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Re: Sweet Creek Mogul Boiler Question
Bill we worked in the same industry.
I always thought Hot Tap crews were brave individuals they can and have gone bad. Jim
I always thought Hot Tap crews were brave individuals they can and have gone bad. Jim
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Re: Sweet Creek Mogul Boiler Question
form my point of view: -> the lunatics are not the hot tap crews, but the welders who stick on the branch fittings with the pipe in-service.
where I worked...EVERYTHING was combustible -> most of it explosive -> all under high pressure which meant that you could not run fast enough.
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