New Cagney 4-4-0

Discuss park gauge trains and large scale miniature railways having track gauges from 8" to 24" gauge and designed at scales of 2" to the foot or greater - whether modeled for personal use, or purpose built for amusement park operation or private railroading.

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New Cagney 4-4-0

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Accidentally acquired a partially complete, brand new, 15” ga class D Cagney frame and boiler this week from the Wasatch Auction in Cheyene. I logged an on line bid as a placeholder several weeks ago, then forgot to go back and cancel it. Couple of days ago the auctioneer called and said: “Hey, you’ve only got two days left to remove your loco from the premises!” My wife was not happy.

But Iam.

Hahaha. So now, after the shock has worn off, Can’t wait to start building it out and add an actual Cagney to the roster.

Frame, boiler and running gear appear to be already built. It’s missing drivers, main rods and the cab. Ive found a couple of possible sources for the drivers, but nothing is definite yet. The pony truck may or may not be in a box of parts. The big issue seems to be a general lack of surviving drawings for parts. Looks like the boiler is 14” diameter, 48” long. Heating surface around 16 sq ft. And it appears to be stamped as a code boiler.- but need to confirm…

The good thing is this build is brand new- fresh off the floor. Never finished before Wasatch shut down a year or two ago. The original patterns aren’t available through Wasatch , but are rumored to still exist with a private individual. So Now, time to start chasing the rumors about who might have them, and are they available for parts. Another plus is a small bit enthusiastic and helpful Cagney owners group and bunch of 15” gauge railroaders. Ive put out a couple of feelers for assistance and have gotten a number of excellent replies. Building this out should be fun!
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Cagney brothers made around 1500 locomotives between 1885 and end of the company in 1950. A fair number of the originals still survive. Wasatch made perhaps six engines. One or two were sold into private hands. Two sold at auction. And one or two are unaccounted for. This one is one of the two sold at the auction in Cheyene, last week.

Here’s what they look like in running order:
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More excellent adventures in the shop forthcoming…
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Motive power : 1902 A.S.Campbell 4-4-0 American - 12 5/8" gauge, 1955 Ottaway 4-4-0 American 12" gauge

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Re: New Cagney 4-4-0

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Glenn, Nice looking start to to a little powerhouse. Crown metal locomotives in particular the 15" and 24" boilers and running gear were similar to the cagney simple and robust. I have a 24" gauge Crown in the barn waiting to be refreshed and a mile of 12 lbs rail. (Half mile of track). I might be willing to sell or trade for.......... Jim
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Re: New Cagney 4-4-0

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Was hunting around facebook Found this . Dont know if it will help

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Re: New Cagney 4-4-0

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Hi Glenn, I was able to get close enough to take a picture of the Crown in my storage barn. Jim
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Jim, you have basically just described the storage space in my shop also.
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Re: New Cagney 4-4-0

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Boiler still sitting in Cheyenne, awaiting transport. Over the weekend a couple of park gauge enthusiasts from our local train club started helping me pull a bunch of 8# rail I purchased recently from a hobbiest railroader estate. Amongst the miscellaneous pile of parts, I came across two patterns: an 11” tall smokestack - perfect size for the Cagney smokebox, and a beautiful 8” spoke wheel - again perfect for casting up some wheels for the Cagney tender I need to make and maybe an additional set or two for a couple of 3” or 4” scale riding cars. Been looking for wheels like this for a long time. Happy they just sort of materialized out of thin air.

I plan on sending the wheel pattern out to the foundry right after the new year. If anybody needs 8” wheels, just let me know…
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Re: New Cagney 4-4-0

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Still no update on foundry costs to cast the 8” wheels or smokestack. I guess I have to become their new best friend starting Monday.

Kevin Doe and his friend who work in 2.5” NG scale, have offered to share theIr D&RG brake Handle 3D design in 4” scale. They resized a 2.5” NG design they developed for 7.5” NG to fit my 8” grand scale passenger car/tender wheels brake shoes. So, now exploring having these cast in ductile iron and building pneumatic brake systems for the passenger cars based on fabricated brake shoes and these cast brake hangers. They are authentic, detailed models of the actual D&RG brake shoe hanger used on the prototype equipment. If these can be cast for a reasonable cost, it would be a major improvement over the simple bar stock brake hanger style. Iam thinking 4” scale hangers might work for 2.5”, 3” and 4” scale wheels. (6”, 7”, and 8” diameter).

Four per car. So lots of pieces to cast up.

This size is 3” x1” overall. It would fit a 6” brake shoe shoe.
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Then using T iron as the rail, or hanger, that controls both the brake shoes on each side of the truck.



This T rail idea looks like it might be ideal for facing up the brake rails, and building up ballast car side walls with heavy gauge sheet metal. Certainly looks like an authentic structural style for riveting purposes.
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McMasters car wants $30/foot for the stuff, but I’ve seen it for much less at the local steel yard a year or two ago.

Piece by piece, each little part of all these train systems are coming into place.

Glenn
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