Help!!! A850SX Lathe

[JonMac1996]

Actually not for these cycles. H1 or C1 are used to define the motion type..horizontal or facial.

I will create an example when I have time ..this is not a 10 minute job

I'm really doing it wrong I put H and C on the same line.
I'll be waiting, thanks for the help

[JonMac1996]

I was going to suggest you try Cincinnati Milicron for the manual but then discovered they were sold and sold again and may be owned by a conglomerate called Maxcor.
Maybe the Cincinnati Public Library has a manual. I was at the factory in '85 or so learning programming for the T-10 Mill and they had a large historical section and model of an early machine shop. Very cool to see all the belt driven machines.
When I was at Teledyne Oster in Cleveland we had a CM lathe with an Acromatic 950 controller, but the manuals, lathe etc went when the shop was moved to Maryland.
This may be a silly suggestion but have you tried: https://ozarktoolmanuals.com/
This company had manuals for a couple of my machine tools that were very old and I couldn't find them anywhere else.
--earlgo

Nice experience, I really like to learn to program all types of lathe, this Cincinnati came to the company as a counterweight in the truck, they "resurrected" her and nobody knows how to do almost anything in it, they only use it to do rough work, I am what else I know about it, because I'm always trying to get things done on it.
I took a look, I didn't find anything, it's for machines older than mine, and even if Dollar was too expensive for me, I live in Brazil .

But thanks for the help anyway ...

[Bob D.]

Hope this may be of help. Sample program from the manual.

[Bob D.]

Sample program continued.

[Bob D.]

There is a second sample program I can post if you want it. I think your lathe is a bit larger than the 4 machines we had. Kept them in production for 32 years. Unfortunately all the programing engineers that had experience with them have retired.....

[JonMac1996]

There is a second sample program I can post if you want it. I think your lathe is a bit larger than the 4 machines we had. Kept them in production for 32 years. Unfortunately all the programing engineers that had experience with them have retired.....

It’s really big, it’s about 3 and a half tons, I tested it briefly, what you told me about the manual, there were several things that I didn’t know were necessary, for example, tool data is mandatory, unlike Fanuc , you have to designate in advance what you are going to use the tool for, I had never seen that page (lol), after I put the data there the "wrong tool" alarm went off and I was testing it, until I got another alarm "rear angle wrong ", I copied exactly what was in your manual, even put it in inches, even so the alarm persists.

Another thing I noticed, is that that manual really wasn't hers, because the facing commands there was "DSC" something like that, and when I put it, the machine said it was an unknown command, now I put the "BAR" to test and she accepts, that is my theory that the manual was changed was right.

I will study these pages you sent me more in depth, so it gets a little difficult to understand, because I don't understand much of English, so I have to keep translating.

Unfortunately, as you said, many of those who knew how to work with them have already retired, and unfortunately few have learned to work with her.

I like this machine because it is old, but for her time it should be the top of the line.

Thank you so much so far, I managed to make great progress in my understanding of the operation of this machine ...

[Bill Shields]

Like you do not have to tell a fanuc control about the orientation of a lathe tool tip? Really...???

[JonMac1996]

Like you do not have to tell a fanuc control about the orientation of a lathe tool tip? Really...???

I'm talking about having to designate the "offset" of the tool it is used for, what it will do, the direction of the plate, size of the insert, radius ...In Fanuc it's practically X and Z ... (lol)

[Bob D.]

The old Cinturns were very robust. Never lost a servo motor in any of them. Maintain the brushes and they kept going. Could generally repair the Siemens drives in house. The Reliance spindle drive was rugged. Spindle motors had to have commutator service done occasionally.
Not much memory....wasn't megs or kbyte...feet of punch tape.
They could handle a crash well too, rarely knocked the turret out.
Keep at it.

[JonMac1996]

The old Cinturns were very robust. Never lost a servo motor in any of them. Maintain the brushes and they kept going. Could generally repair the Siemens drives in house. The Reliance spindle drive was rugged. Spindle motors had to have commutator service done occasionally.
Not much memory....wasn't megs or kbyte...feet of punch tape.
They could handle a crash well too, rarely knocked the turret out.
Keep at it.

Exactly, when I joined this company two years ago, my supervisor who programmed her, and someone always beat her, some really strong beats, and she is not a machine that stops alone, if you let her eat the fixing plate, even so it continues to function normally, the most that goes wrong with it is to lose work references ...
The other machine I work on is a Galaxy 15 from Romi, very weak, depending on what you do it already locks everything.

[JonMac1996]

Sample program continued.

Good morning again, I studied this manual that gave me the whole weekend, and made some notes in Portuguese, and printed.

I arrived this morning and I already came across another problem, when I press the "SFP" key that asks to make the program, nothing happens, the screen doesn't change and I can't define the corners of the piece. Now I don't know if the machine's problem has something disabled, or there is some other procedure to be able to access the "SFP" page.

How discouraging kkkk

[Bob D.]

You should be getting another screen..... Is the edit key on? Not sure if that limits access but it might.
I'll dig out the Operators Manual and see if there are clues there.

Here is a page on SFP